What would @golrizghahraman do if this was a Northlands beach? @AmnestyNZ

Did @Greens @NZGreens @SenSanders denounce the wet feet, dry feet policy applied to Cuban refugees?

Asked about three specific Cuba policies — the Cuban Adjustment Act; wet-foot, dry-foot; and the immigration status of Cuban nationals convicted of state and federal crimes — Sanders said he didn’t know enough about them to opine.

Why no boat people via PNG? Why from Indonesia?

The northernmost tip of Australia is 5 km from Papua New Guinea. Instead, boat people take off from Indonesia in leaky boats too unseaworthy to get to where they are going, much less be turn backed, to land on Christmas Island which is an offshore territory. A strong swimmer could get to the State of Queensland from Papua New Guinea on a good day. A decent paddle boat would do the job.

If the PNG authorities tolerated people smuggling, their relationship with Australia would be jeopardised. On the other hand, there is plenty of votes at the ballot box in Indonesia from sticking it to Australia. Little wonder that a substantial part of the Pacific solution to illegal maritime arrivals by boat people is bribing Indonesian authorities to crack down on people smuggling.

.@Greens policy would have meant many more drownings of boat people

Source: THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD ON REFUGEES HUMANE, EFFECTIVE, LEGAL The Greens’ plan for a genuine regional response and safer pathways.

The most recent policy of the Australian Greens drops the above ideas about an open border but has other weird things like a skilled refugee visa. Very odd for a social justice policy. Obviously all well-founded fears of persecution are not created equal. The university educated deserve more protection. Good luck assessing a claim for asylum within 30 days, much less an identity check.

The PNG Supreme Court on #ManusIsland #Manus

From https://www.scribd.com/document/363707115/Boochani-v-State-of-Papua-New-Guinea

The callousness of the compassionate green left

PS, the boat people that the left never mention

When war refugees find paradise Down Under

When a Cambodian man and his pregnant wife, having fled the Khmer Rouge, were on the bus from Sydney Airport, they quickly concluded that they were in paradise.

Despite the cold of winter, they slept on top of the blankets of their neatly made bed at the migrant hostel in 1978 because they did not want to get into any trouble for messing up the bed and be sent back to hell. Such was their ingrained fear of arbitrary power and victimisation.

After a few weeks, they stopped stealing the sauces and other condiments from the dining hall at the hostel because they realised that the food would keep coming and there was no need to hoard. They then started to act as mentors to incoming refugees assuring them that they could sleep under the blankets, and the food would arrive three times a day, every day.

When the Salvation Army helped them and their new baby into a house in suburban Sydney, it was plain on the faces of these Salvos that they were most embarrassed about the quality of the furniture they managed to scrounge for them.

The Cambodian couple thought they were in paradise again. The house and furniture were better than anything they had seen in a middle-class home in Phnom Penh.

After a few years of hard work, the father saved enough to open an electrical retailing franchise.

The mother went to the store one afternoon to fill in for an absent worker. She did not come back for 7-years. She was great at bargaining with fellow refugees. She knew that her fellow refugees only had a certain amount of money, and she bargained to find out what that was. She wrapped the goods up tightly because she knew that they took public transport home.

The word spread that her store was a good place for a bargain, and the store prospered. Their daughter grew up to be a lawyer and wrote one of the best autobiographies I have read.

I had some Cambodian friends at graduate school in Japan in 1995 to 1997. Friendly, kind people despite growing up in hell.

They also gave me great insight into the blinding power of nationalism. My two Cambodian friends, educated urbane people, referred to the time after the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia as when they were a Vietnamese colony.

Another Cambodian, who no one liked, when he annoyed his Vietnamese class mates too much, they would say, “Remember 1979.”

This taunt would throw this Cambodian into a fit of nationalist pique. He raged against the invasion. If any country would have benefited from an invasion even from hell, it would have been Cambodia under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge by 1979.

My best mate at University was the son of a war refugee from the Ukraine. His Dad was rounded up to be a slave in a Nazi factory in Germany.

My mate’s dad came to Australia because it was the first country to accept him. He did not want to go back to the Ukraine because it was now Russian rather than Polish.

Despite finding paradise in Australia, his daughter is now a senator, he was still touched by the fever of nationalism.

When he and his two sons, both graduates in economics, went back to the Ukraine to visit his brother in 1988, they had to go by a very indirect route via Warsaw, sleeping in a train station overnight, because their father refused to set foot on Russian soil.

The usual way to visit the former USSR as a Western tourist was first to fly to Moscow. His sons were as kind and level-headed as anyone you would like to meet. Both wanted to go via Moscow because their Dad might have found going the long way around too much for a retired factory worker.

Another mate of mine served on the eastern front for the Germans and later ended up as a prisoner of war in Canada. My Austrian friend had strong views on nationalism too.

When the Balkan wars broke out in the early 1990s, local ethnic social clubs in Canberra were fundraising for whatever side of that madness they supported. A few went back to join the fighting.

My friend with a passion wanted to put them all on the first boat back home to Europe so they can experience what they were bankrolling good and hard, first hand. He came Down Under to escape ethnic hatred.

Manus Island queue jumper admits he successfully jumped queue @AmnestyNZ cries torture

Amnesty NZ thinks it is torture to go from being a faceless family in a UN refugee camp with little hope to being in the Manus Island immigration detention camp with Australia doing everything it can to get you accepted as a refugee in another country. How many refugees in UN camps have all the resources of the Australian government trying to resettle them? Burma is such a dump the resettlement anywhere in the world is an economic improvement as well.

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Source: ‘The torture in my country is transparent, in Australia it is not obvious’.

Another question that must be asked is whether the refugees on Manus Island displace refugees with better claims from within another country’s refugee quota because the Australian government is lobbying for them to be accepted as a refugee.

Boat arrivals do not increase the Australian refugee quota so someone with a better claim is displaced. As arrivals by boat are no longer ever eligible to settle in Australia, this displacement dilemma is moved onto the consciences of 3rd countries.

The purpose of the UN processing of refugees is to ensure those with the most pressing claims for asylum receive refugee status first. Those pushed back in the queue may be at a greater risk of imprisonment, torture and execution than those that arrived in Australia by boat.

.@4corners @amnestynz evidence standards hit new low on #Nauru refugee reporting

The ABCs journalistic standards have dropped so low that they continued to regard as credible a witness who compared Nauru with Syria. Neistat wrote the report for Amnesty which Four Corners then built on.

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Source: Amnesty International says Nauru refugee policy breaks international human rights laws – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation).

Syria is a war zone. Nauru is not. This is the Australian Government’s travel advice for Syria

We strongly advise Australians not to travel to Syria because of the extremely dangerous security situation, highlighted by ongoing military conflict including aerial bombardment, kidnappings and terrorist attacks…

Australians are also warned not to travel to the northern Caucasus included Chechnya for any reason because of the threat of terrorism and kidnappings.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade does not issue travel advice for Nauru at this time.

I doubt that the state of law and order in Syria or Chechnya in peacetime is any different from Nauru at its worst. Refugees seek asylum from persecution. That does not guarantee them asylum in a country that is materially wealthier than the one they fled.

Many people engage in considerable hubris to avoid making difficult decisions about immigration and refugees. Tullock talked about how people avoid difficult decisions. They do not want to face up to the fact resources are scarce and they face limits on their powers.

To reduce the personal distress of making these tragic choices, Tullock observed that people often allocate and distribute resources in a different way so as to better conceal from themselves the unhappy choices they had to make. This even if this means the recipients of these choices are worse off and more lives are lost than if more open and honest choices were made up about there only being so much that can be done.

The Australian Greens, for example, call for a doubling of the refugee quota. A drop in the ocean when there is 59 million refugees out there. This allows them to feel righteous when they go to sleep at night

When it is pointed out that their policies will encourage more people to get on a boat, some of whom will drown, the Greens suggest people should be free to fly to Australia without documentation and then be released after a short security check.

Naturally, no government will ever adopt this suggestion. It shows that the Greens are not serious participants in managing refugee flows across borders. They prefer to feel righteous rather than actually systematically help people to the maximum available.

Arriving by boat in Australia does not increase the size of the refugee quota. It just changes who gets to the head of the queue and how many died trying to get to the head of the queue.

No @sarahinthesen8 this is not acceptable. Stopping the boats saved hundreds of lives

People who enter illegally by boat do not increase the number of refugees of Australia admits in any one year. They change who was granted asylum within the same fixed quota. Increasing the quota will not change incentives for illegal entry if illegal entry allows for settlement in Australia.

@Greens @sarahinthesen8’s solution to boat people drowning

About 1200 people drowned under Labour’s boat people policies. That would have put the percentage at risk of death in the low single digits. Taking a boat to Europe is very dangerous in comparison.

Jim Rose's avatarUtopia, you are standing in it!

Source: Another way for refugees | Australian Greens.

Arriving by boat in Australia does not increase the size of the refugee quota. It just changes who gets to the head of the queue and how many died trying to get to the head of the queue.

Source: Kiwiblog.

There is nothing compassionate about rewarding people for risking their lives. The chances of dying while attempting to come to Australia by boat are about 2%.

The recent experience in Europe confirms that just letting large numbers of refugees come to your country hardens the attitude of the majority of voters in that country to admitting refugees in general, much less more than their current quota.

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Megan McArdle’s iron law of commentary on refugee policy @GreenCatherine

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Source: How to Win Friends and Influence Refugee Policy – Bloomberg View.

Refugee camps in France and Turkey

https://twitter.com/intlspectator/status/696835437759889408

@nzlabour @greencatherine @johnkeymp @actparty Australia and New Zealand country of asylum numbers since 1965

Australia and New Zealand at times has taken in a great many refugees from abroad according to the United Nation’s High Commissioner for Refugees data. Oddly enough these bursts of generosity coincided with a Liberal Country party government in Australia and National Party governments in New Zealand. The Left of New Zealand politics was too busy fighting to be nuclear free to make New Zealand a place of refuge for the victims of oppression when they had their hands on the wheels of power.

Source: UNHCR – UNHCR Statistical Online Population Database.

Because Australia took in so many hundreds of thousands of refugees, it is difficult to read the New Zealand data so I have reproduced the New Zealand data on refugees as a separate graph.

Source: UNHCR – UNHCR Statistical Online Population Database.

At times of crisis such as after the Vietnam War and the chaos in the Balkans, New Zealand has taken in a great many refugees – many times its current generosity.

@NZNationalParty @nzlabour @NZGreens inflow of asylum seekers into #UK #Canada, #Australia and #NewZealand since 1980

New Zealand’s intake of asylum seekers has been embarrassingly low. The left-wing parties in New Zealand should be ashamed of themselves given the way they wear their international consciences on their sleeves about New Zealand being above it all morally, nuclear free, and can lecture the rest about war, peace and compassion from on high.

Data extracted on 08 Oct 2015 09:06 UTC (GMT) from OECD.Stat; Dataset: International Migration Database.

The UK absorbed an immense number of asylum seekers in the 1990 as did Canada. The data stops in 2013.

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