@garethmorgannz dogma test: ban bikes, swimming & sugar – updated

Do-gooding curmudgeon Gareth Morgan takes great pride in his positions on public policy and health and safety such as a sugar tax are evidence-based.

He is quick to suggest that those that disagree with them are ignorant or steeped in moral turpitude, preferably both. His offsider has even suggested that I am too dogmatic to bother arguing with. Me!

It will be a slow train coming before Gareth Morgan takes an evidence-based health and safety approach to bikes and swimming. They are dangerous activities that should be banned if he is to be consistent. Morgan is a keen motorcyclist and recently asked for exclusive access to a seaside batch.

As I have previously argued, all the evidence suggests that riding a bike is dangerous. Both motorcycles and bicycles are way more dangerous than travelling by car.

Riding a motorbike and a bike should both be banned to protect motorcyclists and bicyclists from themselves. Like people who drink sugary drinks, they just do not understand the risks.

Swimming is an even more dangerous activity with multiple fatalities of a weekend common in summer. Again, people do not understand the risks of swimming both in the city and in rivers. They must be protected from themselves.

The argument that Gareth Morgan and his entourage will make in response to a demand for bans is the exact same one made against the food police.

I am sure Morgan will point out that people know that riding a bike or swimming is dangerous. Even those living in a cave also know that drinking sugary drinks and having a smoke is also dangerous. Indeed, the evidence is people overestimate the risks of these socially disapproved activities rather than underestimate them.

The argument that Morgan and his entourage would use against banning bikes, motorbikes and swimming is voluntary assumption of risk.

We live in a free society. If people want to lead a risky life, they are free to do so as long as they do not harm others.

Morgan is quick to point out the cost of the public health system of sugary drinks and other targets of the food police and the safety Nazis.

Last time I looked, bicycle and motorbike accidents resulting trips to emergency wards and other expenses to the taxpayer.

You cannot have it both ways. Arguing that the fiscal cost of sugary drinks and other roads is a rationale for regulating their consumption. That argument applies just as strongly to the case for – updated banning motorbikes, bicycles and swimming.

Until Gareth Morgan’s do-gooding extends to calling for the banning of a passion of his life, which is motorcycling, his evidence-based crusades do not have much standing.

You cannot reject voluntary assumption of risk on a selective basis especially when you engage in one of those risky activities yourself.

UPDATE: Morgan has in the past called for the insurance levy on motorbikes to reflect risk better than is the case now.

…research we’ve done at the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council indicates that the risk of serious and expensive injury on a motorcycle is around 45 times higher per person-kilometre travelled as it is for occupants of other vehicles.

And we have a lot more bumps, scrapes and bruises per person-kilometre as well.

It gets worse. We also found that up to 31 per cent of our injuries arise from incidents involving no other vehicles. In other words we do this to ourselves because we can’t handle the road conditions.

Now of course we can blame the road as some of us are wont to do, but the reality is in most cases it’s pure incompetence or lack of self-management.

Any charging regime that gives riders an incentive to ride within their level of competence, to self-manage risk by wearing better protective clothing for example, or even lifting competency levels has to be a win-win doesn’t it?

This is not a call for a ban. Moreover, this is just a calm discussion of actuarial risk and the rampant cross-subsidies in the New Zealand universal, no fault accident compensation scheme.

Buried in at all these remarks by Morgan is people have the right to take risks and ride a bike if they want. No similar courtesy to people who like sugary drinks and those who support their right to drink and eat what they please. No similar courtesy to honest disagreement over whether a sugar tax is worth the trouble and strife.

What I must also add is the Morgan Foundation is a famous advocate of sugar taxes but a little-known advocate of actuarially fair insurance levies on motorbike. If the notoriety was the other way around, this debate would have more credibility. That is why I missed it in the first draft of this post.

I am still waiting for Gareth Morgan to call for bans on advertising of motorbikes and bicycles to children and on children’s television because they are impressionable. Why are motorbike and bicycle ads safe for children but cigarette and junk food ads not?

Milton Friedman argued that people agree on most social objectives, but they differ often on the predicted outcomes of different policies and institutions. This leads us to Robert and Zeckhauser’s taxonomy of disagreement

Positive disagreements can be over questions of:
1. Scope: what elements of the world one is trying to understand?
2. Model: what mechanisms explain the behaviour of the world?
3. Estimate: what estimates of the model’s parameters are thought to obtain in particular contexts?

Values disagreements can be over questions of:
1. Standing: who counts?
2. Criteria: what counts?
3. Weights: how much different individuals and criteria count?

Any positive analysis tends to include elements of scope, model, and estimation, though often these elements intertwine; they frequently feature in debates in an implicit or undifferentiated manner. Likewise, normative analysis will also include elements of standing, criteria, and weights, whether or not these distinctions are recognised.

The origin of political disagreement is a broad church in a liberal democracy. Those you disagree with are not evil, they just disagree with you. As Karl Popper observed:

There are many difficulties impeding the rapid spread of reasonableness. One of the main difficulties is that it always takes two to make a discussion reasonable. Each of the parties must be ready to learn from the other.

Feel-good policies attacking sugar in drinks will do nothing but provoke opposition and delay the day when people confront the fact that they are going to the fatter than their parents and their grandparents because they are richer.

https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/599218426620485633

I lost 18kg after I was diagnosed with type II diabetes. Giving up sugary drinks and biscuits contributed maybe 2 kg to that weight reduction. Central to that weight production was I was well motivated.

A rise in the price of a sugary drink and the political fight over that turns friends into enemies and is a distraction from the larger cause.

https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/698174875630989316

Greg Mankiw was on point when he said that do we really think that meddling at this micro level of sugary drinks serves any purpose and can government be trusted to micromanage our lives with pushes rather than nudges:

To what extent should we use the power of the state to protect us from ourselves? If we go down that route, where do we stop?

Taxing soda may encourage better nutrition and benefit our future selves. But so could taxing candy, ice cream and fried foods. Subsidizing broccoli, gym memberships and dental floss comes next. Taxing mindless television shows and subsidizing serious literature cannot be far behind.

Even as adults, we sometimes wish for parents to be looking over our shoulders and guiding us to the right decisions. The question is, do you trust the government enough to appoint it your guardian?

The rise and fall of smoking, 1920-2010

Science denier bingo

The invention of anesthesia upset the Luddites of that day

Sugar taxes and expressive politics

The sugar tax championed by among others the Morgan Foundation is the latest manifestation of do-gooding that dates back to sumptuary laws of mediaeval times. Black’s Law Dictionary defines them as

Laws made for the purpose of restraining luxury or extravagance, particularly against inordinate expenditures in the matter of apparel, food, furniture, etc.

These early attempts through sumptuary laws to regulate how people live their lives to make sure that they did not dress above their social rank as well as risk hellfire and damnation has been critically applied include alcohol prohibitiondrug prohibition, gun control laws, bans, and restrictions on dog fighting.

The sugar tax attempts to save us from a bad diet because others know how to run our lives better than we do despite having never met us, much less lived our lives and dreamed our dreams. The calling of the do-gooder is a busy vocation.

The do-gooders want to stop smoking, overeating, and the partaking of too much sugar but undoubtedly support the decriminalisation of marijuana because of the futility of prohibition.

The right to get stoned is a civil liberties issue but sugar is a legitimate topic of public health regulation. Those who do not want to save people from sugar are ignorant or steeped in moral turpitude, preferably both.

We live in an age of obesity. When I was a kid, the poor were thin, they are now fat. I can still remember the names of the 2 boys in my high school class who were in any way overweight. Now the majority of school kids are overweight.

Sugar taxes are also when the Left stage a temporary conversion to supply-side economics. When you tax something, less will be supplied. The Left are surprisingly unwilling to admit that unless it suits their agenda of the day.

The Morgan Foundation is a curious position of advocating a great big new tax: a comprehensive capital taxation. It is also arguing that sugar taxes will cut consumption. I wonder what it estimates to be the response of saving and investment in its capital tax. Does it take the conservative estimates, or the liberal estimates of the responsiveness of savings, investment and labour supply to higher taxes?

Sugar taxes are a blunt instrument. They tax fat people, thin people and the potentially fat of tomorrow. They are not like alcohol and tobacco taxes which are narrowly tailored to taxing sin. Richard Posner said that

People who crave sugar will find no dearth of substitutes for sugar-sweetened sodas. Moreover, most consumers of these sodas are not and never will be obese. They may well be overweight, but all that that means is that they are heavier than the “ideal” weight calculated by physicians; if they are only slightly or even moderately heavier, the consequences for health or social or professional success are apparently slight. To the extent that a soda tax would cause substitution of equally sugared foods, it would not only have no effect on obesity; it would yield no revenue…

Last time I looked, people enjoy food. Some enjoy food quite a lot.

We are in a free society where some people are just simply like eating while others have a bad draw of the genes. Others like to exercise. As Richard Posner said:

The obese are people who by dietary choice and preference for a sedentary style of life have traded off the costs of obesity against the costs of being thin and have decided (at least in a “revealed preference” sense–they may not have consciously chosen a style of life that predisposes them to obesity) that the costs of thinness preponderate over the benefits. And in general we do not try to prevent people from making such trade-offs.

But there are two situations in which preventing people from choosing the style of life that maximizes their utility can be defended (provided certain assumptions are made about cost and efficacy) on economic grounds.

One is where consumers are unable to evaluate a product or to act upon their evaluation; another is where a voluntary transaction imposes costs on other people which the transactors do not take into account.

The fact that car unhealthy lifestyles may impact on the public health budget is not much of an argument for intervention. Private insurers are quite capable of working out whether they need information on people’s lifestyle and diet or not.


If you are to provide people with universal health insurance at the expense of the long-suffering taxpayer, you should at least have the decency not to try and take over their entire lives so that you can be a social justice warrior on the cheap.

As for children seeing advertising for sugar, the sugar tax and a ban on advertising is a token gesture. You trying to take over from their parents. As Gary Becker noted:

Many doctors and others who advocate taxing sugared beverages and fast foods at heart do not believe that consumer taste for sugar and fast foods should be taken into account in devising public policy.

Until the nanny state brigade and sugar tax advocates address that simple question, they have no standing in a public debate. Like all the prohibitionists who came before them, they are simply unwilling to admit the people like food, drink and sugary things.

Until they put forward a way of balancing that common preference to enjoy life including food and risk against their meddlesome preferences in their role as the great central planner of our lives, they are just having us on. As Richard McKenzie said recently

The people most concerned with the country’s weight gain—self-appointed “fat police”—have favoured supposedly easy and direct policy solutions: tax and ban high-sugar and high-fat products.

Such policy courses are a snare and delusion, especially if Americans’ cherished freedoms of choice, which are at the heart of the country’s economic engine, are to be preserved.

The great driver of obesity is prosperity, not sugar. People can simply afford to buy more and enjoy the food they have more.


John Rawls argued that people should have every right to live their lives according to their own lights. In nanny state brigade just do not accept that point of view.

Rawls believed the most distinctive feature of human nature is our ability freely to choose our own ends. The state’s first duty with its citizens is to respect this capacity for autonomy.

Instead, the fat police and the do-gooders want to engage in the futile gesture of pestering you and taxing you when you buy a sugary drink even though there are almost unlimited alternative supplies of sugar laden products.


The fat police are far too busy feeling good about themselves in the expressive politics of public health. They cheer for sugar taxes, boo obesity and feel good about themselves for having told other people how to live their lives better. A good number of them then celebrate by lighting-up a joint. Many of the rest have a wine, not beer.

The particularly annoying ones ride a bike, which is a dangerous activity, or are so boorish as to exercise in a public place, much to the annoyance of the rest of us who are getting on with having a good time.

US, UK, Canadian and Danish health spending as % of GDP

Health spending is surprisingly stable outside of the USA. Even in the UK it was a gentle taper upwards.

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Source: OECD Health Statistics.

G7, Australian, New Zealand and Danish female life expectancies at age 65 in 1960 and 2013

Is it all that fine red wine that makes French women live as long as Japanese women after the age of 65.

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Source: OECD Health Statistics.

The rise and fall of smoking

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G7, Australian, New Zealand and Danish life expectancies of males aged 65

I am surprised that Japanese male life expectancy at age 65 is the same as most everybody else.

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Source: OECD Health Statistics.

Chileans’ life expectancy is now higher than Americans’, while Venezuela’s still catching up

@BernieSanders MRI rationing – US v. Single-payer UK, Canada and Denmark

Single payer health insurance systems may have their advantages but one of which is not ready access to an MRI scan in the UK, Denmark or Canada.

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Source: OECD Health Statistics.

Remember that those aged over 65 in the USA are covered by Medicare; the poor and welfare beneficiaries are covered by Medicaid; and children of the working poor are covered by CHIPS.

I am told that dogs to get an MRI scan in Canada far quicker than humans. This is because dog owners can pay for the MRI scan. Private health insurance is unlawful in 9 of the 10 Canadian provinces.

There is considerable medical tourism from Canada to the USA, including by politicians who passionately support the single-payer system.

International differences in childhood type I diabetes

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Source: OECD Family Database.

The six principles of natural medicine

International differences in asthma prevalence

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Source: OECD Family Database.

@BernieSanders porky pies about his health plan

https://twitter.com/BernPress/status/693700287916294144

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